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Jarvis Hellstrom
Gallente
The Flying Tigers
United Front Alliance
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Posted - 2008.08.07 14:29:00 -
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 Originally by: Steve Hawkings
The thing is the only people that cried are the stupid ones that lost millions in a gank.
Clearly, patently untrue.
I've been speaking out against suicide ganking for quite some time and I've never been suicide ganked, never lost a tenth of an ISK to gankers in any way and have never been adversely affected by it. I've played in both high sec and 0.0 during that time and these days spend most of my time in 0.0 where, interestingly enough, such things don't happen.
Despite that, I still see it as wrong, terribly abusive and for intents and purposes an exploit as it was. Better now, although whether it will be enough remains to be seen. Shooting people right in front of the cops should get you kicked out. Really, it's not a hard concept to wrap your head around if you get it out of your posterior long enough.
Yes - some people do actually support changes that aren't in some way benefitting personally just because they believe them to be right. It may be hard for you sociopaths to believe but some of us do actually do it.
May God stand between you and harm in all the Empty places you must walk
(Old Egyptian Blessing) |
Jarvis Hellstrom
Gallente
The Flying Tigers
United Front Alliance
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Posted - 2008.08.07 14:48:00 -
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Originally by: Mjeh
The much bigger problem is the lowered response time of concord, this is the dealbreaker.
And the principle of the matter that CCP caved in on this matter is what pounded the last nail into the coffin for my part. I'm just saying, I hope you all realize what this is implying
I know I do.
People like you will have to either pick their targets much more carefully or go shoot at people who can shoot back.
Or leave of course.
I'd prefer you pick either of the latter two options.
May God stand between you and harm in all the Empty places you must walk
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Jarvis Hellstrom
Gallente
The Flying Tigers
United Front Alliance
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Posted - 2008.08.07 15:24:00 -
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Originally by: 5pinDizzy
<snip> With platinum insurance and probably waiting around for around 40 minutes for the right victim, you've probably just lost about 10 mill from the ship loss, but if all went well and the right stuff didn't get destroyed you probably made around 100-150 million from the cargo loot.
So to clarify, you've netted 90-140 million ISK profit for forty minutes work.
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Now we look at it from the other side.
Accumulating the cost of that hauler, the insurance and fitting cost for it, and mining/producing the contents took, probably 6-10 HOURS OF DRUDGERY
Net profit from all those boring hours? Zero.
That's how the post should read.
Whether you like people who play that AFK game or not, they keep the economy running and you are ruining THEIR enjoyment of the game. Perhaps they are people like my fiancee (a miner) who frequently has to AFK fly or haul because they only time she has to play is while at home watching our little one. Or do you think that she should lose a couple days worth of work and production because she thought that dealing with a little one who needs attention - who might be sick, or hurt, or upset - is more important than watching her internet spaceship for that particular 2 minutes?
Many people playing in high sec are there because that's the only way they can play the game AT ALL due to real life concerns. 0.0 levels of attention make the game unplayable for them. And so do folks like you.
May God stand between you and harm in all the Empty places you must walk
(Old Egyptian Blessing) |
Jarvis Hellstrom
Gallente
The Flying Tigers
United Front Alliance
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Posted - 2008.08.07 16:04:00 -
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Originally by: Mjeh
Comprehension failure?
This isn't about insurance
I think the comprehension failure is more localized to Mjeh. The only person I've heard grouse about the increased Concord reaction time is you - which seems to imply you usually gank alone and with ships that won't be up to the job with the new response times.
Getting a friend will allieviate that nicely. The reduced time of response affects team gankers not in the least.
May God stand between you and harm in all the Empty places you must walk
(Old Egyptian Blessing) |
Jarvis Hellstrom
Gallente
The Flying Tigers
United Front Alliance
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Posted - 2008.08.07 16:33:00 -
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Originally by: Jim McGregor
What part of recyclable alts dont you understand when you talk about penalties being effective?
That may be the reason for faster Concord response times. Grinding an Alt up to the level required to successfully tank and gank will now take longer making them somewhat less 'disposable' - or at the very least harder to replace.
Of course, personally I loathe the 'Alt Game' and wish they'd find a way of making it an exploit. But I realize that I'm entirely in the minority and that such isn't a reasonable position to expect CCP to support.
May God stand between you and harm in all the Empty places you must walk
(Old Egyptian Blessing) |
Jarvis Hellstrom
Gallente
The Flying Tigers
United Front Alliance
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Posted - 2008.08.07 17:22:00 -
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Originally by: Maximillian Bayonette
But no people can actually oppose changes unless they are personally affected by them, right? It's just those opposing this nerf that are sociopaths, amirite?
People can oppose or support anything whether it affects them or not, although by playing EVE it will always have some affect at least in a cascade fashion if it is an EVE change you are supporting or opposing.
Whether or not it's sociopathic support depends entirely on the reason for such support.
And it's spelled "Am I right?"
May God stand between you and harm in all the Empty places you must walk
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Jarvis Hellstrom
Gallente
The Flying Tigers
United Front Alliance
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Posted - 2008.08.07 17:31:00 -
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Originally by: Maximillian Bayonette
It IS an exploit to use disposable alts for ganking. It is also not effective. This is a strawman setup by people who don't like suicide ganking. Suicide gankers might use alts, but they are NOT disposable ones.
But if it were disposed of, say, a week later, who would file the petition? Or even know that it had been done?
It may have been declared an exploit but if it's unenforceable, it isn't a very useful one.
May God stand between you and harm in all the Empty places you must walk
(Old Egyptian Blessing) |
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